15:51 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: groups not needed for this meeting, but later we will use WoSCR for much larger multi-region nmeetings 15:53 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Click the grey wave box at the bottom of the rack to left of stage to join SL WoSCR group 15:53 VCE Venue Chat Relay: WoSCR Group: Click the link in Chat History (Ctrl+H) and then click on JOIN button! secondlife:///app/group/28bbedb8-6efb-f01d-7cad-43cda1ee179b/about 15:55 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: we plan to use WoSCR goup for group voice and chat fopr larger events later 15:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: Voice good on both Adobe Connect and SL 15:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: 4x4 on the voice check 15:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: Naomi Malone, University of Central Florida 15:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: leslie7 Sweetwater: Leslie Fuentes, City of Hampton, VA 15:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: Aaron Marks, Dynamis Inc., Arlington, VA 15:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Shana Smith Simulex 15:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: repeat it for later as well Eirene when I ask, we are not recording just yet 16:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: YorkDEM Ansar: Ali Asgary York University in Toronto joining you now from Seoul 16:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: sure 16:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Douglas Lowbeam: Doug Failor, Fleet Forces Command, Suffolk VA 16:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Keg Runner: Pam Burton ARL HRED, APG, MD 16:01 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 107 Slides. 16:02 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Austin Tate, AIAI, University of Edinburgh and OpenVCE.net project lead 16:02 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: Aaron Marks, Dynamis Inc., Arlington, VA 16:02 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: Tim Maly, Pleiades Consulting, Toronto, Canada 16:02 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Shana Smith, Simulex 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Karma Luckstone: Debbie Patton ARL-HRED, APG, MD 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: Naomi Malone, University of Central Florida 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Stephen Potter, AIAI, University of Edinburgh 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Jeff Hansberger, Army Research Laboratory 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: Dave Fliesen, Sonalysts, Inc., VIrginia Beach, VA, USA 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: Brian Moon, Perigean Technologies 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: make sure all have voice to HEAR at least 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: JeffD Arida: Jeff Dalton, AIAI, University of Edinburgh 16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: John Black, Virtual Participant US Army; Civil Affairs & Civil/Societal Info Mgmt (via Adobe Connect) 16:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: BaconBit Jupiter: Skye, I can hear only background , no voice. Any suggestions? 16:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Buddy Foster, Ft. Leavenworth NSC. (via Adobe Connect) 16:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Valerie Gawron MITRE - lead for collaborative experimentation (via Adobe Connect) 16:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Karl Gunzelman - Naval Postgraduate School research associate (Adobe Connect) 16:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford; Researching Multi-User Virtual Environment (MUVEs); The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL). (Adobe Connect) 16:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Karen Evans, Command Performance Research (Adobe Connect) 16:06 VCE Venue Chat Relay: BaconBit Jupiter: Tim Bacon, JFCOM Suffolk VA 16:08 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: Hi, I am ac (Andre Cusson) from 01 COMMUNICATIONS, developers of DNAOS entitled knowledge sharing platform 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: sound dropping out here 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: WE are losing youir voice somewhat Jeff 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: Same. 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: lost the voice feed.... 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: leslie7 Sweetwater: Yes, lost voice 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: There it is. 16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: cutting in and out, maybe a bandwidth problem? 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: garbled and up then down on voice 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: dropping in an out 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: good again now 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: JeffD Arida: Sound like it's under water 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: might be too close to mic 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: its a bit choppy Jeff 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: leslie7 Sweetwater: yes garbled voice still 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Keg Runner: also garbled for me 16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: It sounds like a bandwidth issue, sometimes there is a long pause and then SL tries to catch up and you end u[ sounding like a chipmunk under water. 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: I'm reconnecting in and will be back in a minute 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: are you planig to swap systems jeff? 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Yes 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: OK 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: You might want to take off HUDs and reduce your draw distant Jeff 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: yes 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: You are clear as a bell 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Karma Luckstone: yes 16:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Keg Runner: yes, you sound clear 16:16 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: alt + left click will center your camera e.g. on thescreen to let you zoom in and out 16:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: BaconBit Jupiter: yes 16:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: BaconBit Jupiter: thanks again 16:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 22 Slides. 16:28 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Frederich Courier entered your chat-range: /me by Sam Stork 16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: very loud 16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: much better 16:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: Does "Open" (e.g. OpenVCE) mean sharing only public, free (or worthless) information/knowledge? If so, what do military, emergency response, scientific, research, IP development, and others feel about this? will everyone keep "valued" information away from collaboration space? If not, what is the plan/strategy? 16:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: It is public 16:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: but its designed to allow for behind the fiorewall variants 16:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: BaconBit Jupiter: can you protect certain meetings or information to a smaller sector 16:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: You need an alternative client like Meerkat to view OpenSim contents. 16:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: you can use a "nebraska server" running SL behind a firewall 16:59 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: what will happen when the demo project needs to be used in real world? stick to (firewall) silos? 17:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: leslie7 Sweetwater: Can other entities like localities use your SL site or open VCE? 17:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: Meerkat offers a lot of additional features though, as do the others. Meerkat in particular offers a HUD for cross-grid teleporting. 17:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: siloed collaboration ... 17:01 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: Someone is messing with their sound settings. 17:01 VCE Venue Chat Relay: leslie7 Sweetwater: thanks 17:02 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: A thought I had for the future is making tools that will help the WoSCR community in the field over computers and smart phones 17:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (17:08) In our (JHU/APL) MUVE research, we are paying close attention to ways to make MUVEs available for 'disadvantaged' users such as those being discussed in world now. 17:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: very distored 17:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: a bit loud Brian 17:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: distorted 17:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: blew the wax out of my ears here 17:04 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: nudge it down a bit 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: thatas why ist going red 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: Sounds a bit like Sun Tzu 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: are you using a boom mike or something on your computer? 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: you can adjustr it in preferences 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: preferebces -> voice chat 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: device settiings 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: and nudge the mic level down to half way sa 17:05 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: yes 17:06 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: good 17:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: no voice in connect 17:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: SP is inventogating 17:12 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: He is acting as the camera person in SL relaying to Adobe Connect 17:13 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: only audio in SL 17:14 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio is in and out 17:14 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 23 Slides. 17:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Flight Help 1.0 Self Defense: /me by Sam Stork 17:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 23 Slides. 17:16 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: Audio out again 17:16 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: sounds like moveing away from mic 17:16 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Thanks Brian.... 17:17 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: again, not for "valued " info? 17:18 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: why the focus on open source information being devalued in some way? 17:18 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: What social networks to people prefer? 17:18 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: does everyone here use Linkedin? 17:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: still no audio in AC 17:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: I don't really care what network is used, so long as it feeds to email or RSS so I can keep track. The problem of many networks at once is really frustrating. 17:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: YorkDEM Ansar: I would suggest that for the SL aspect we also focus on a simulated place where emergencies happen. 17:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: yes 17:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Yes 17:20 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio working now 17:20 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Dynamis, can you expand on your question? What do you mean by devalued? 17:20 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: so it makes sense to validate the concept in an exercise context, either 100% virtual or mixed 17:21 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio out again 17:21 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Is there any effort to create a 3-D sandbox for the colaborative environment for example emergency response? 17:21 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: it was response to comments by ac Eberhardt that open or free information is "worthless", or not valued.. 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: We have one Shana 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: WoSCR Group: Click the link in Chat History (Ctrl+H) and then click on JOIN button! secondlife:///app/group/28bbedb8-6efb-f01d-7cad-43cda1ee179b/about 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: ok 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: The sandbox is across from this place next to the lighthouse 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: great 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Sandox is ope to all, 12 hours return time 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio is up 17:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: John Black: (17:23) Has the concept mapping been linked to the S/CRS planning or USAID process? 17:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio a bit loud 17:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: i did not say open information was worthless, just that it had to be either public, free, or worthless to be shared 17:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: John Black: (17:23) Has the concept mapping been linked to the S/CRS planning or USAID process?? 17:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: I've seen concept maps put together for humanitarian response planning, that might fit the USAID concept 17:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: ac audio out again 17:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: The problem with public and free info is that if you put it in the right context it starts to go over the line 17:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: I'd certainly like to see materials regarding the USAID concept mapping. Where can we find them? 17:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: I'll have to see if they can be shared, since they're linked to an after action analysis... 17:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: okay, thanks, hopefully John Black heard that? 17:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio out again 17:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: USAID and Dept of State are aware John 17:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Tim Bacon was just saying that 17:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Babbage Darwin: I think that it's worth re-emphasizing your idea of not only offering a lot of tools but also limiting them so that there is a clear focus for individual groups. The problem of having lots of tools for collaboration is that it risks diluting the conversation. If one person it blogging and another is on the wiki and a third is on the forum, no conversation occurs. Limiting tools to appropriate context is key. 17:27 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: WE agree :-) 17:27 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: too muich just bogs people down 17:27 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: John Black: (17:31) I am the USACAPOC SME for the PMESII linkage to civil information...will ensure we stay engaged... 17:27 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: we need to get more structuire, a task cehjtric approach and more regularity 17:28 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: tere is a cognitive work analysis and we have done some mapping of the tools and things in the CP and 3D space against that 17:28 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:29 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Also key chalange is not to intimidate the tech chalanged in the group to increase participation beyond the tech crowd 17:29 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio down again 17:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Dynamis Runner: the other side of that challenge is offering enough tech to keep the 'virtual natives' engaged 17:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: tool selection should probably come after defining the requirements adequately, hence my questions about "valued" (I prefer "entitled") information/knowledge and about silo-collaboration 17:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: we have a number of activities that we hpwe will keep people negaged 17:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back online 17:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (17:37) I'd appreciate knowing/hearing more about avatars exchanging information between themselves (i.e., use of avatar inventories to hold information, then various ways of making that information available) 17:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC auio down 17:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: audio 17:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: AC, the cognitive work analysis was our first attempt to understand the requirements. Direct feedback from the community (now) is our 2nd stage in refining our understanding of the requirements 17:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (17:40) Certainly does. Thanks a lot for the quick and useful info about that. 17:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back down 17:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt left your chat-range: /me by Sam Stork 17:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: WB Eirene 17:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: okay 17:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: Hi Jeff, Great. That is also why I asked. 17:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: Hi Jeff, Great. That is also why I asked. 17:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: we ppan more directed ways to ask the comunity on features on OpenVCE.net 17:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: I keep crashing, so don't know if this has been asked or talked about...is there voice chat capability on the drupal site? 17:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: type at top in search 17:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio down 17:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: It's all that jewelry Eirene 17:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: ha 17:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: voice only in Adove conne t or SL 17:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: why all these different environments, SL works ok? firewall silos again? 17:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Flight Help 1.0 Self Defense: /me by Sam Stork 17:43 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: right click on mug and click detach 17:44 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: come on Eirene you crash with the best of them 17:44 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Yes 17:44 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: lol 17:46 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: plrease no one touch the screen but me 17:46 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: its not protected to user groups yet 17:46 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back down 17:48 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:49 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: aren't must of the issues, comlexities, limitation, and ineficiencies around trying to collaborate either "open", or through silos (e.g. firewalls), and shouldn't that problem be addressed first, as it is a productivity stopper? 17:51 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio down 17:52 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Flight Help 1.0 Self Defense: /me by Sam Stork 17:53 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Definitely for already established organizations. The WoSCR community is about bringing together people that haven't collaborated in the past (gov. non-gov., military, etc.). Because it is forming, we're using social network analysis to understand existing links and how using the VCE effects interactions. 17:53 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio up 17:54 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio down 17:55 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 23 Slides. 17:56 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 17:56 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: Re formulated: Aren't most of the issues, comlexities, limitation, and ineficiencies around trying to collaborate related to either "open", or through silos (e.g. firewalls), and shouldn't that problem be addressed first, as it is a productivity stopper? Don't we seem to need a finer granularity collaboration infrastructure design? 17:56 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: John Black: (18:01) Have to depart....FYI, we are utilizing this technolgy today via MAP-HT and the human terrain teams w/the cultural anthropologists and UCINet, etc. 17:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Thanks John 17:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Thanks John 17:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: After event recording and materials will be at vent wb site 17:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: event web site 17:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Tanks Rob 17:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: ac Eberhardt: Re formulated: Aren't most of the issues, comlexities, limitation, and ineficiencies around trying to collaborate related to either "open", or through silos (e.g. firewalls), and shouldn't that problem be addressed first, as it is a productivity stopper? Don't we seem to need a finer granularity collaboration infrastructure design? 18:02 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 107 Slides. 18:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio back up 18:06 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: AC audio down 18:06 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Eirene Janus: could you chat your email again jeff? 18:07 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: jeff.hansberger@us.army.mil 18:08 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Thanks all for attending the 2nd workshop. 18:09 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: shouldn't shared information also be associated with context rules that help define and manage who can access what, when, where, why, how, along with context definitions and responsibility maps, that all get crossed to ensure each get only and all information that each is entitled to? Shouldn't SL, for example, have that built-in to its infrastructure to really enable information sharing, collaboration which buils on information sharing, and then productivity that results from collaboration 18:09 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: ? 18:09 VCE Venue Chat Relay: teleport: Sit on the glowing sphere to teleport