15:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Do we have anyone on AC?

15:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Yes, Karen Evans and Lynn Siegel

15:00 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: and me ;-)

15:01 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Sounds good

15:01 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: and Mike Pafford's joined us too on AC

15:09 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Ali, very kind of you to spend time with us on your busy day.

15:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (15:23) In exercises using full Live-Virtual-Constructive (LVC) methods, could MUVEs add value to the Virtual and Constructive parts of all of these exercises?

15:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Many thanks Ali, that is a very useful summary. Image of Ali giving his talk is now on event web page at http://openvce.net/event-woscr-viws-3

15:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (15:23) In exercises using full Live-Virtual-Constructive (LVC) methods, could MUVEs add value to the Virtual and Constructive parts of all of these exercises?

15:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: (Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (15:38) Thank you for the very informative answer.)

15:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Thanks Ali

15:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Its very useful. Thanks Ali

15:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: great you could come

15:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: JeffD Arida: Thanks for the talk.

15:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: I will use right screen for the 4 cmaps Brian

15:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: and give URLs as you announce the slides... people should ope the .pdf URLs in an external browser not in the broswer in SL

15:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: http://openvce.net/sites/default/files/VA%20Pandemic%20Flu%20Plan.pdf

15:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: you can click on links I give in chat... and then open in external browseerm, or just cpy and paste

15:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: In PDF viewers you can zoom in and out and pan across too

15:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: http://openvce.net/wiki/H1N1

15:41 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Use this cmap as an overview. Brian's next 3 elements are extracts

15:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: http://openvce.net/sites/default/files/VA%20Pandemic%20Flu%20Plan%202.pdf

15:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Move your camera with alt+left mouse click if you need to folks

15:43 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: sorry for the blue Brian!

15:43 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: http://openvce.net/sites/default/files/VA%20Pandemic%20Flu%20Plan%203.pdf

15:45 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: http://openvce.net/sites/default/files/VA%20Pandemic%20Flu%20Plan%204.pdf

15:45 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: 1024x1024 for the textuyres in SL are not sufficient for such detailed cmaps.. so use the exteranl PDF at a zoom factor of 250% of so

15:52 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 25 Slides.

15:54 VCE Venue Chat Relay: OpenVCE SlideShow: 33 Slides.

15:56 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:01) I'm looking forward to using MUVE capabilities (avatars, prims, etc.) for enhanced navigation of concept 'maps'.

15:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Yes, could be a 3D spatial navigation of te nides.. but that si not how Cmaps is currently set up?

15:57 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: Agreed. We will certainly need to think more about that.

15:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Just a blue screen here

15:58 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: Now it back

16:01 VCE Venue Chat Relay: BaconBit Jupiter: majic

16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: Disaster Strikes

16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Yes

16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Somehow appropriate!

16:03 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: They have to be - they're Gerhard slides

16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: Don't we evaluate plans from one scenario to better prepare for next scenario?

16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Lessons learned

16:10 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: but do we have any technology to assit with LL?

16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: lessons learned

16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: Lessons Learned not LInden Labs

16:11 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: not linden labs :-)

16:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:19) Not that JHU/APL would be the organization to do it. But, with the vast amount of important data that could be present at each of these events, might there not be a place on the team for some organization that does take on the responsibility of capturing, compiling, and sharing the data?

16:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: We should establish if we want real players doing what they do in RL and must find such people and help them try the VCE/VCP, or if we will have intertested people play ROLES relevant to the scenario.

16:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: Have we thought about "value added" for participants to make these meaningfull for the organizations that attend and contribute?

16:15 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: One key issues is understanding why various players need information

16:17 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Mike, we plan to publish the results of these experiments in conferences and academic journals. We can also coordinate sharing the data but must be careful to keep anonymity among the participants.

16:18 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:23) To Jeff R: Agree completely.

16:18 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Jeff, any view on that?

16:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: My view is that this should be a planning exercise and not an execution. A planning situation requires less of a role among a white cell or role player

16:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: OK - thx Jeff

16:19 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Value in both in playing your own role you get the oportunity to paractice and make contacts that will be useful in real world info

16:20 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: yes, but needs the whole team mix then

16:20 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: But second life lets you look beyond your own lane and expand operators understanding of individual role as a whole

16:21 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Shana, we are preparing a social network questionnaire that will go out the community in order to understand and document who contacts whom and for what info they contact them for

16:21 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: This information may also be used as an expertise map for those that are doing the planning

16:21 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: We're still exploring how best to leverage this type of information

16:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: You can look up who has what expertyise now at http://openvce.net/catalyst - use an external browser

16:22 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: This additional informaiton will compliment the catalyst data

16:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:27) A statement more than a question. Not to get too far out of the box. But, in our experiments here, we're researching AI (e.g., Virtual Assistants) as a way to bring collected data to 'life'. I'm thinking of a time when even Concept Maps can 'advertise' themselves, as well as 'explain' themselves, using the types of AI technologies we're investigating (e.g., A.N.G.E.L., etc.).

16:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: great. its possible to show additional data on secelcted items in te brain visuali\zseer so logn as you are logge don.

16:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: The data is only accessible to WoSCR comunity members (hence the login needed)

16:23 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Karen Evans: (16:28) Would the tools representing expertise in this exercise reflect the expertise of the participant, or of the role they are filling for the exercise?

16:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Nice

16:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: Regarding the understandability of concept maps, see our work with DARPA - http://cmc.ihmc.us/cmc2008papers/cmc2008-p086.pdf, and survey results comparing preferences of concept maps to PPT slides - http://perigeantechnologies.com/research_review.pdf

16:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Good modality to log things

16:24 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: URLs can be used later - chat log will be on event web site after end of meeting

16:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:30) To PTL: Thanks much for the link to your DARPA work.

16:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: the see how well you can involve them to assist

16:25 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Karen, hopefully the participants will be representing their true expertise. So it will represent their and other's real expertise

16:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: how a DEM team can call on and use expertis ein other words

16:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Karen Evans: (16:31) thanks!

16:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: You're welcome. Note that the DARPA experiment centered on individuals reviewing Cmaps on a computer screen, at their own pace... a very different set up than displaying in SL!

16:26 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: I think for that Jeff it's an accountablity issue. As people realize they'll be called to use those skills, they'll see that they have to be truthfull on what they can do

16:27 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: But sometimes too it's also up to us to ensure the wording fits what they're used to

16:28 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:33) You all may have said already. But, how do you plan for those not in-world to witness most if not all of the upcoming LOE?

16:28 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: We actually take it from the other side. We are asking people who they go to for information and not asking self-reported expertise. Therefore, if 50% of the community all say that they go to you for earthquake related crises, it's a good indicator of your expertise

16:28 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: No, this workshop was expected to be smaaller as it was those involved in Expt

16:29 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: only about 10 registered i think?

16:29 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: I saw different numbers when I registred

16:29 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: that is tickets left

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: Maybe that was it

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Austin Tate, AIAI, University of Edinburgh

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Is there a way to make a sign in sheet in second life?

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: David Fliesen, Sonalysts, Inc.

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: e can use I-Tage top log and instrument such tings

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: The I-Zone we use for expt has a logged and its sent to our systems

16:30 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: No not to restrict but to record


16:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: we CAN close off the area to those permitted in when we wish

16:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: Brian Moon, Perigean Technologies

16:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: We will likem use group "WoSCR" for that

16:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Mike, we're not sure how to handle observers for the LOEs yet. The participants will be using the openvce.net site so the asynchronous part will be open to the community members

16:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:36) Mike Pafford; The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL).

16:31 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: we can also then do voice to people across regions and a lot of other tghings

16:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Jeff Hansberger, ARL

16:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Mike and karen are on Adobe Copnnect I assume?

16:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Gerhard Tomorrow: Gerhard Wickler, AIAI

16:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:37) To Jeff R: Thanks. I did get an OpenVCE account established.

16:32 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: From an organizational perspective it would be useful to know when it is ok to use voice vers type especally for newbies and when and what type of participation is useful

16:33 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Yes, Mike and Karen (and Lynn Siegel) are on Adobe Connect

16:33 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Karen Evans; Command Performance Research, Inc

16:33 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: We started some notes on protocols for nmeetiongs like this in lecture heatres, brainstorming meeting for 20 or so and small meetings

16:33 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Right, that might work well if we have folks that are only interested in observing. However, the hope is that the initial planning team pulls in needed expertise. It might happen in SL or it might just happen over openVCE.net

16:33 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Stephen Potter, AIAI, Edinburgh

16:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: The expt will use an ops room stye space (the I-Zone) to teh S of VCE region

16:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: JeffD Arida: Jeff Dalton, AIAI, Edinburgh

16:34 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Karen Evans: (16:39) To the moderators' credit, I think integration of chat and SL has worked quite well in these sessions!

16:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: I find Chat and IM (for one to 1 or group specific chats) is good for some things.

16:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: async osssibe and people can prepare links and resources

16:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:40) The 'observing avatar' has been working quite well for us AConn observers.

16:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: :-)

16:35 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: I like the multiplicity of chat, IM and voice all @ the same time

16:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: 20 brainstorm diofferent to 50-400 converence talks

16:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: conference

16:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SunTzu Greybeard: BRB as Joey

16:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: SunTzu, it works well for those that are use to that type of multi-tasking. But frustrating often for those that are not use to it

16:36 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Free Radar HUD: /me v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets

16:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: good to have someone monitoring the chat for questions, and lookig at the twitter and Adobve Connect feeds in - as SDP is doing

16:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:42) Do you all plan to have one or more Adobe Connect connections available during the LOE?

16:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Sounds like some sort of dashboard for communication monitoring...

16:37 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: No reason not to though. could be a good way to separate players from observers

16:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: and ONLY observing for sync parts will be like a commander comig in to be briefed?

16:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: I think AC will be great for the synchronous meetings for observers

16:38 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: But its likea team member who cannot see the other async elements of other players anyway

16:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: theuy would know though.

16:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: If they're present in-world, it's also more likely for them to be pulled into the planning

16:39 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: What is the output we are looking for today? brainstorming on when to use what technology for future meetings, ideas for running event?

16:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:44) Just as a Data Point. For many of the collaborative experiments we've been involved in, the full Collaborative Information Environment (CIE) has always included at least Adobe Connect (actually DISA Defense Connect Online), Microsoft SharePoint, and Jabber IM, as well as normal email, phone, etc.

16:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: I don't agree... if you KNOW the Adobe Connect element is the watching... it woud help NOT to have people around whe yo are usig a lot of screens, walss, people about woudl clutter it up

16:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Social presence makes a difference in interactions (what I talked about briefly last workshop)

16:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: They could sit in upper gallery of I-Zone room I supose if theyw ant to observe in SL too?

16:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:45) Our current research is experimenting specifically in what MUVEs can add to that CIE.

16:40 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: anyone upstairs is observer, anyone on ground floor is role platyyer

16:41 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: ok It sounds like you are looking to attract experts and interested observers

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: core team (coordinator and teaM), EXPERTS TO BE PULLED IN, AND OBSERVERS CAN WATCH

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: One thing I would recomend is two tracks for participants

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: dO WE HAVE SOME INITIAL MEASURES OF WHAT WE EANT TO SEE AND SHOW?

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: sorry for caps!

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Austin, that sounds like a good SL observer solution.

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Shana Drachnyd: Where the individuals who have roles have made a higher commitment to participate

16:42 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: just that theu for the team and TRY to pull in experts to help - as the would in real life

16:43 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:48) We at JHU/APL are especially interested in the collaborative Command and Control (C2) aspects.

16:44 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Gerhard, I don't have voice ATM so if you could brief the future events quickly.

16:46 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: I'd be willing to help out

16:46 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: That's good

16:46 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: In Virginia Beach

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Thanks Gerhard.

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: TY

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: PerigeanTechnologies Lowbeam: Thanks all.

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: That will be a summary of the whole work, with PMESII briefs and report out on Expts

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: SP Pizzicato: Mike Pafford (JHU/APL): (16:52) Thanks to everyone. Great session.

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Jeff Reanimator: Thanks Gerhard, good job.

16:47 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Community wide invitation again, not just smaller Expt groups we hope

16:48 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Ai Austin: Bye everyone.

16:48 VCE Venue Chat Relay: Joey Aboma: TC

16:48 VCE Venue Chat Relay: ac Eberhardt: cheers